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It’s not hands up among some for Welsh independence!

Our columnist The Commentator looks at the reality of whether Wales could be an independent nation in a world geography which is increasingly international, as the idea gains ground.


Welsh independence has the same genealogy as Brexit.

Do Welsh people want to be poorer but free?

It’s the emotional argument that it would be better to live in a cave and be free, than be prosperous under the rule of another country.

If a referendum question on Welsh independence was along the lines of : “Do you want to decrease your wealth by a third, yet live in Wales as an independent nation?” The answer would be a resounding ‘no’.

Yet we are told that ‘record’ numbers support independence for Wales and a major political party appears to be edging towards it.

Adam Price – ‘We need to talk about this’

The leader of the Welsh nationalist party Plaid Cymru (PC) Adam Price has proclaimed “I think we need to have that conversation (on independence) and we need to decide on that at some point during this decade” in an article in the South Wales Echo, along with a picture of him that was headlined ‘Independence would let Wales be equal nation”.

Would the vote be as high as polls suggest?

The results of a survey in the summer were ‘reported’ that almost a third of voters would vote ‘yes’ in a referendum on independence for Wales.

At 32 per cent this was the highest figure ever recorded by the polling company YouGov.

But that still leaves a massive 68 per cent who are opposed, and this figure is likely to increase during a referendum campaign, when the reality of Welsh independence would hit home.

Independence must prove it will end rule by the elites

I’m not against independence in principle, but it would have to pass four tests:

1. The concept needs to demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt that it would make Wales more democratic and less open to rule by elites.
2. We must be convinced that the population would become economically and socially wealthier.
3. It must be proven that it would make Wales healthier.
4. We need to be sure that the majority of Welsh people want it.
Will armed troops patrol the border with England?

Other important questions have yet to be satisfactorily answered by supporters of independence too.

1. How would the border with England work?
2. How would Wales handle its share of the UK debt?
3. What currency would Wales use?
4. Most Welsh nationalists believe an independent Wales should re-join the European Union (EU). That process takes about 10 years. How would an independent Wales cope in the meantime?
5. Is there an awareness that in its current economic state, an independent Wales would fail the EU membership requirement for a functioning market economy?

A recent ‘news’ piece on the nationalist website Nation.Cymru (NC) was headlined that ‘thousands’ had signed a petition calling for an independence referendum, but the text revealed the actual number was only 2,000.

Most people in Wales are against independence

This figure should be set against a population in Wales of 3.1 million, with most firmly opposed to Welsh independence.

One opinion item on NC began:  “It seems the opponents of independence, now running out of arguments, are getting desperate.”.

The Books Council of Wales funds authors and Nation.Cymru

Polls have not been good news for the website as the results have had to be ‘spun’. A St David’s Day poll giving the figure of 11 per cent of people in Wales supporting independence, was ‘reported’ in NC as a rise because it represented a four per cent increase on last year.

NC is funded to a large extent by public money through the Books Council of Wales (BCW) and the Editor Ifan Morgan Jones is a lecturer in journalism at Bangor University (BU), yet it is surely a fundamental tenet of journalism to be neutral and this seems to be lacking in his website.

It looks more likely in Scotland, but even here there are problems

According to another recent survey it seems that support for SCOTTISH independence may have reached a high level, but the same cannot be said for Wales and this represents a significant problem for those seeking the same here.

Research by Ipsos Mori for STV News found that with just six per cent of voters still to make up their minds, 55 per cent backed separation, with 39 per cent in favour of the union when they are included.

Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP were told that polls must show consistent support for independence

Even in Scotland, though, there are major issues because senior figures in the Scottish National Party (SNP) were briefed before the 2016 Scottish parliamentary election that CONSISTENT polling of about 60 per cent in favour of independence would indisputably prove that the country had changed its mind since the 2014 referendum.

Yet supporters of Welsh independence can only dream of these kind of figures, and there are other enormous hurdles to clear before their goal can be achieved.

Iceland has a huge fishing industry

Perhaps the most important one is the economy.

Backers of small independent countries like to point to Iceland, but this country has a huge and thriving fishing industry which Wales doesn’t have – there isn’t even a coal industry in Wales to speak of now that all the deep mines have closed.

The Welsh economy is one of the weakest of the UK regions, and to a large extent still relies on UK Government support even after 21 years of devolution.

Welsh GVA is among the lowest in the UK

Official statistics for regional Gross Value Added (GVA – a measure of economic wealth) demonstrate that recently it had actually DROPPED 2.2 per cent in comparison with the previous year.

Welsh GVA is the lowest of all the UK regions, and Wales has proportionally more public sector jobs than in most other areas, many of which, presumably, would be threatened with independence.

The Welsh Government has stated:  “Over a quarter of the workforce in Wales work for the public sector. There is a significant public sector presence in Wales on a local, national and UK-wide level”.

This almost didn’t happen…

But there are other huge difficulties as well.

Devolution only just scraped through (the 1997 referendum result was 50.3 per cent in favour when 48.7 per cent were against) and independence is likely to be an even tougher sell, with a strong streak of anti-nationalism in Wales.

Supporters of independence for Wales also have not helped their cause by publicly posting extreme views on social media.

A branch of the main Welsh independence organisation Yes Cymru (YC)  celebrated a potential attack on a UK military base on the Llyn Peninsula and asked on Twitter whether “heroes” would make a stand in conducting it, while another group from YC said people in “our country” (Wales) refuse to integrate, posing the question menacingly of what should be ‘done’ about Unionists, and a YC supporter who claims he invented their app said on Twitter that gay people should be prevented from spreading disease.

The arson was celebrated on YouTube

The extraordinary ‘anti-Unionist’ tweet was put out by YC in the Afan Valley and declared:  “These people are in our country, yet refuse to integrate into our local community”.

The provocative ‘attack’ one on Twitter came from YC in Ruthin and referred to a notorious incident in 1936, when an RAF bombing school was set ablaze at Penyberth on the Llyn peninsula, and founding members of PC were jailed.

The three Penyberth ‘heroes’ with Saunders Lewis in the centre

The event has gone down in folklore for Welsh nationalists and a video on YouTube announces:  “Penyberth.  Plaid Cymru one.  RAF nil.”

This inflammatory tweet in Welsh and English said:  “Another Penyberth on the horizon! The question is this:  Are there three heroes today ready to make a stand?”.

Supporters of Welsh independence face a difficult balancing act to convince waverers

The three ‘heroes’ is a reference to original members of PC (among them Saunders Lewis) who gave themselves up at Pwllheli police station and were imprisoned for nine months following the destruction.

This contentious Twitter remark was a response to an article ‘reporting’ protests against a new military training base on NC.

This sort of talk, though, might turn off the undecided voters in Wales, who could be tempted by the thought of independence, and that may create yet another barrier.

Book posterIt is obvious that there are a lot of them…


Our Editor Phil Parry’s memories of his astonishing 37-year award-winning career in journalism as he was gripped by the incurable neurological disabling condition Hereditary Spastic Paraplegia (HSP), have been released in a major book which was NOT funded by the BCW, ‘A GOOD STORY’. Order the book now!